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  1. 1. Как ни справедливо то, что религиозное неверие и презрение к божественному есть великое зло, суеверие есть еще худшее.

    Плутарх.

    1. True as it is that religious unbelief and contempt for the divine are a great evil, superstition is worse still.

    Plutarch.

    From Parallel Lives: Alexander · close to the original .
    What Tolstoy read · Beautiful Thoughts from Greek Authors
    So true it is that, though disbelief in religion and contempt of things divine be a great evil, yet superstition is a still greater.
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    Original · Ancient Greek
    … οὕτως ἄρα δεινὸν μὲν ἡ ἀπιστία πρὸς τὰ θεῖα καὶ καταφρόνησις αὐτῶν, δεινὴ δὲ αὖθις ἡ δεισιδαιμονία, …
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    In English · Bernadotte Perrin (Loeb), 1919
    So, you see, while it is a dire thing to be incredulous towards indications of the divine will and to have contempt for them, superstition is likewise a dire thing, …
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    The words shown were found, word for word, in the saved source text. Parallel Lives: Alexander, 75.2.

    Tolstoy translates Ramage's English closely: "So true it is that, though disbelief in religion and contempt of things divine be a great evil, yet superstition is a still greater." «Религиозное неверие и презрение к божественному» (religious unbelief and contempt for the divine) is Ramage's "disbelief in religion and contempt of things divine"; «как ни справедливо то, что» (however true it is that) is "so true it is that, though". The comparison is Ramage's: Plutarch says both are dire, δεινὸν μὲν ... δεινὴ δὲ αὖθις (dire is unbelief ..., dire in its turn superstition; Perrin: "superstition is likewise a dire thing"), and Tolstoy, after Ramage, makes superstition «еще худшее» (still worse). In Plutarch the sentence is a comment on Alexander, who in his last days at Babylon took every strange occurrence for a portent and filled his palace with sacrificers, purifiers, and diviners; Ramage and Tolstoy give it as a general maxim. Ramage's Greek (scan) reads "dpa" and "Kal" for ἄρα and καί.

  2. 1. Какая борьба за существование или какое неудержимое безумие понудило вас обагрить ваши руки кровью, чтобы питаться мясом животных? Зачем вы, пользующиеся всем необходимым и всеми удобствами существования, делаете это? Зачем клевещете вы на землю, как будто она не в состоянии без мяса животных питать вас?

    Плутарх.

    1. What struggle for existence or what ungovernable madness drove you to stain your hands with blood in order to feed on the flesh of animals? Why do you, who enjoy all the necessities and all the comforts of existence, do this? Why do you slander the earth, as though it could not feed you without the flesh of animals?

    Plutarch.

    From De esu carnium · reworded by Tolstoy .
    What changed

    Williams’s English, which Tolstoy follows, already has “struggle for existence” where Plutarch has madness and frenzy (Goodwin: “a certain ravenousness and frenzy”); Tolstoy spells out the bloodshed, adding “in order to feed on the flesh of animals” and “without the flesh of animals,” and gives in Plutarch’s own voice what Plutarch has the first men say. †

    † An intermediate translation may have made this change.

    Leo Tolstoy as Editor: Made plain ›

    What Tolstoy read · Howard Williams, The Ethics of Diet: A Catena of Authorities Deprecatory of the Practice…
    But what struggle for existence, or what goading madness has incited you to imbrue your hands in blood — you who have, we repeat, a superabundance of all the necessaries and comforts of existence ?
    Why do you belie the Earth …
    … as though it were unable to feed and nourish you ?
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    Original · Ancient Greek
    … ὑμᾶς δὲ τοὺς νῦν τίς λύσσα καὶ τίς οἶστρος ἄγει πρὸς μιαιφονίαν, οἷς τοσαῦτα περίεστι τῶν ἀναγκαίων; τί καταψεύδεσθε τῆς γῆς ὡς· τρέφειν μὴ δυναμένης;
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    In English · William Baxter, revised by William W. Goodwin (Plutarch’s Morals, vol. V), 1874
    But whence is it that a certain ravenousness and frenzy drives you in these happy days to pollute yourselves with blood, since you have such an abundance of things necessary for your subsistence? Why do you belie the earth as unable to maintain you?
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    The words shown were found, word for word, in the saved source text. De esu carnium (On the Eating of Flesh) I, ch. 2 (994a).

    From Howard Williams's English of Plutarch in The Ethics of Diet (1883), whose Russian translation, «Этика пищи» (Posrednik, 1893), is on the Jubilee list of Tolstoy's sources: "But what struggle for existence, or what goading madness has incited you to imbrue your hands in blood — you who have, we repeat, a superabundance of all the necessaries and comforts of existence? Why do you belie the Earth as though it were unable to feed and nourish you?" «Какая борьба за существование или какое неудержимое безумие понудило вас обагрить ваши руки кровью» renders Williams word for word, and "struggle for existence" is Williams's: Plutarch asks "what madness and what frenzy" (τίς λύσσα καὶ τίς οἶστρος) drives the men of now to bloodshed, as Goodwin's "a certain ravenousness and frenzy" shows. Tolstoy adds «чтобы питаться мясом животных» (to feed on the flesh of animals) and «без мяса животных» (without the flesh of animals), makes "you who have a superabundance" a question of its own, «Зачем вы, пользующиеся всем необходимым и всеми удобствами существования, делаете это?» (why do you, who enjoy every necessity and comfort of existence, do this?), and leaves out "we repeat". In Plutarch these are the words of the first men, who ate flesh from want, addressed to the men of his day; the Circle gives them in Plutarch's own voice. Williams prints the Greek of "belie the Earth" in brackets, unreadable in the scan, so the excerpt is cut around it. The Russian «Этика пищи» was not consulted.

  3. 3. Вы спрашиваете меня, на каком основании Пифагор воздерживался от употребления мяса животных? Я, с своей стороны, не понимаю, какого рода чувство, мысль или причина руководила тем человеком, который впервые решился осквернить свой рот кровью и позволил своим губам прикоснуться к мясу убитого существа. Я удивляюсь тому, кто допустил на своем столе искаженные формы мертвых тел и потребовал для своего ежедневного питания то, что еще так недавно представляло собою существа, одаренные движением, пониманием и голосом.

    Плутарх.

    3. You ask me on what grounds Pythagoras abstained from eating the flesh of animals? For my part, I do not understand what kind of feeling, thought, or reason guided the man who first ventured to defile his mouth with blood and allowed his lips to touch the flesh of a slain creature. I wonder at him who allowed the disfigured forms of dead bodies on his table and demanded for his daily food what so short a time before had been creatures endowed with movement, understanding, and voice.

    Plutarch.

    From De esu carnium · close to the original .
    What Tolstoy read · Howard Williams, The Ethics of Diet: A Catena of Authorities Deprecatory of the Practice…
    You ask me upon what grounds Pythagoras abstained from feeding on the flesh of …
    I, for my part, marvel of what sort of feeling, mind, or reason, that man was possessed who was the first to pollute his mouth with gore, and to allow his lips to touch the flesh of a murdered being : who spread his table with the mangled forms of dead bodies, aud claimed as his daily food what were but now beings endowed with movement, with perception, aud with voice.
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    Original · Ancient Greek
    … ἀλλὰ σὺ μὲν ἐρωτᾷς; τίνι λόγῳ Πυθαγόρας ἀπείχετο σαρκοφαγίας, ἐγὼ δὲ θαυμάζω καὶ τίνι πάθει καὶ ποίᾳ ψυχῇ ἢ λόγῳ ὁ πρῶτος ἄνθρωπος ἥψατο φόνου στόματι καὶ τεθνηκότος ζῴου χείλεσι προσήψατο σαρκός· καὶ νεκρῶν σωμάτων καὶ ἑώλων προθέμενος τραπέζας ὄψα καὶ τρυφὰς καὶ προσέτι εἰπεῖν τὰ μικρὸν ἔμπροσθεν βρυχώμενα μέρη καὶ φθεγγόμενα καὶ κινούμενα καὶ βλέποντα·
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    In English · William Baxter, revised by William W. Goodwin (Plutarch’s Morals, vol. V), 1874
    You ask of me then for what reason it was that Pythagoras abstained from eating of flesh. I for my part do much admire in what humor, with what soul or reason, the first man with his mouth touched slaughter, and reached to his lips the flesh of a dead animal, and having set before people courses of ghastly corpses and ghosts, could give those parts the names of meat and victuals, that but a little before lowed, cried, moved, and saw; …
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    The words shown were found, word for word, in the saved source text. De esu carnium (On the Eating of Flesh) I, ch. 1 (993a–b).

    The opening of the essay, in Williams's English, translated closely: "You ask me upon what grounds Pythagoras abstained from feeding on the flesh of animals. I, for my part, marvel of what sort of feeling, mind, or reason, that man was possessed who was the first to pollute his mouth with gore, and to allow his lips to touch the flesh of a murdered being: who spread his table with the mangled forms of dead bodies, and claimed as his daily food what were but now beings endowed with movement, with perception, and with voice." «Какого рода чувство, мысль или причина» is "what sort of feeling, mind, or reason" (τίνι πάθει καὶ ποίᾳ ψυχῇ ἢ λόγῳ), «осквернить свой рот кровью» "to pollute his mouth with gore", and «существа, одаренные движением, пониманием и голосом» "beings endowed with movement, with perception, and with voice"; «я, с своей стороны, не понимаю» (I for my part do not understand) stands for "I ... marvel", and «искаженные формы мертвых тел» (the distorted forms of dead bodies) for "the mangled forms of dead bodies". Plutarch's Greek is less abstract: the parts set out as food had "but a little before bellowed, cried, moved, and seen" (βρυχώμενα ... φθεγγόμενα καὶ κινούμενα καὶ βλέποντα). Williams's scan has a stray "=" after "the flesh of" and "aud" for "and".

  4. 4. Извинением для тех жалких существ, которые первые прибегли к мясоедению, может служить полное отсутствие и недостаток средств для жизни, так как они (первобытные народы) приобрели кровожадные привычки не из потворства своим прихотям и не для того, чтобы предаться ненормальному сластолюбию среди избытка всего необходимого, а из нужды. Но какое может быть оправдание нам в наше время?

    По Плутарху.

    4. The complete absence and lack of the means of life may serve as an excuse for those wretched beings who first resorted to meat-eating, since they (primitive peoples) acquired their bloodthirsty habits not from indulging their whims, and not in order to give themselves up to unnatural voluptuousness amid an abundance of all necessities, but from need. But what justification can there be for us in our time?

    After Plutarch.

    From De esu carnium · reworded by Tolstoy .
    What changed

    Adds a closing question of Tolstoy’s own, “But what justification can there be for us in our time?”, the point Plutarch goes on to make, and “but from need”; the first meat-eaters’ “lawless desires,” as Williams, whom Tolstoy follows, renders Plutarch (Goodwin: “lawless and extravagant lusts”), become “indulging their whims.” †

    † An intermediate translation may have made this change.

    Leo Tolstoy as Editor: A lesson added ›

    What Tolstoy read · Howard Williams, The Ethics of Diet: A Catena of Authorities Deprecatory of the Practice…
    For the wretches who first applied to flesh-eating may justly be alleged in excuse their utter resourcelessness and destitution, inasmuch as it was not to indulge in lawless desires, or amidst the superfluities of necessaries, …
    … indulgence in unnatural luxuries that they [the primeval peoples] betook themselves to carnivorous habits.
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    Original · Ancient Greek
    … ἢ τοῖς μὲν πρώτοις ἐκείνοις ἐπιχειρήσασι σαρκοφαγεῖν τὴν αἰτίαν ἂν εἴποι τις πᾶσαν εἶναι τὴν ἀπορίαν· οὐ γὰρ ἐπιθυμίαις ἀνόμοις συνδιάγοντες οὐδʼ ἐν περιουσίᾳ τινὶ ἀναγκαίων ὑβρίσαντες εἰς ἡδονὰς παρὰ φύσιν ἀσυμφύλους ἐπὶ ταῦτʼ ἦλθον·
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    In English · William Baxter, revised by William W. Goodwin (Plutarch’s Morals, vol. V), 1874
    And truly, as for those people who first ventured upon eating of flesh, it is very probable that the whole reason of their so doing was scarcity and want of other food; for it is not likely that their living together in lawless and extravagant lusts, or their growing wanton and capricious through the excessive variety of provisions then among them, brought them to such unsociable pleasures as these, against Nature.
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    The words shown were found, word for word, in the saved source text. De esu carnium (On the Eating of Flesh) I, ch. 2 (993c–d).

    Signed «По Плутарху» (after Plutarch): Williams's sentence translated, and a question of Tolstoy's own added. Williams: "For the wretches who first applied to flesh-eating may justly be alleged in excuse their utter resourcelessness and destitution, inasmuch as it was not to indulge in lawless desires, or amidst the superfluities of necessaries, for the pleasure of wanton indulgence in unnatural luxuries that they [the primeval peoples] betook themselves to carnivorous habits." «Те жалкие существа» (those wretched beings) is "the wretches", «полное отсутствие и недостаток средств для жизни» (complete want and lack of the means of life) "utter resourcelessness and destitution", «среди избытка всего необходимого» "amidst the superfluities of necessaries", and «(первобытные народы)» Williams's bracket "[the primeval peoples]". Changed: "lawless desires" (ἐπιθυμίαις ἀνόμοις) becomes «потворства своим прихотям» (indulging their whims), "unnatural luxuries" «ненормальному сластолюбию» (abnormal voluptuousness), and «из нужды» (out of need) is added. Added at the end: «Но какое может быть оправдание нам в наше время?» (but what justification can there be for us in our time?), the point Plutarch goes on to make in the speech he gives the first men. Williams's scan reads "for^the".